03-24-2016, 07:49 PM
About identifying spell-like abilities
It's a swampy area whether Spellcraft can identify spell-like abilities. I'd say if they are in effect, yes (20 + spell level - Identify a spell that’s already in place and in effect. ) If you had to roll a saving throw, maybe. (Portho's quote would be correct then) But in this case we have to agree on "spell level" which might be cl/2 (minimum 1) which is interesting since it's higher than the actual spell level a bard can cast, from 8th level onwards.
That said, I would say Knowledge (Arcana) enables Torin to actually having heard of bardic music in the first place and since the music is obvious and the preceding spellcasting was detected by the priest as well he could at least second guess that the bard tried to use bardic music on him. For what avail, he cannot tell.
With the actual result of 13 on Arcana I'd say he has heard about Bardic Music but not exactly what it is capable of. So Torin definitely shouldn't use the word "fascinate" unless it is meant to be a "coincidental" figure of speech. Let's say the Arcana DC to know about BM is 10 and separate uses of Bardic Music have DC equal to 15 + minimum bard level needed for that particular act (e.g. Fascinate needs Perf 3 i.e. 1st level, or DC 16). I repeat, it enables the Arcanist to know about the existence of such a power, not to recognise it.
It's a swampy area whether Spellcraft can identify spell-like abilities. I'd say if they are in effect, yes (20 + spell level - Identify a spell that’s already in place and in effect. ) If you had to roll a saving throw, maybe. (Portho's quote would be correct then) But in this case we have to agree on "spell level" which might be cl/2 (minimum 1) which is interesting since it's higher than the actual spell level a bard can cast, from 8th level onwards.
That said, I would say Knowledge (Arcana) enables Torin to actually having heard of bardic music in the first place and since the music is obvious and the preceding spellcasting was detected by the priest as well he could at least second guess that the bard tried to use bardic music on him. For what avail, he cannot tell.
With the actual result of 13 on Arcana I'd say he has heard about Bardic Music but not exactly what it is capable of. So Torin definitely shouldn't use the word "fascinate" unless it is meant to be a "coincidental" figure of speech. Let's say the Arcana DC to know about BM is 10 and separate uses of Bardic Music have DC equal to 15 + minimum bard level needed for that particular act (e.g. Fascinate needs Perf 3 i.e. 1st level, or DC 16). I repeat, it enables the Arcanist to know about the existence of such a power, not to recognise it.
