07-19-2017, 04:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-19-2017, 04:36 PM by DM Surranó.)
Interesting, the spell description explicitly states that there is SR against the 4th level druid spell Scrying. Reference please?
EDIT: I guess you refer to this passage of the description of SR:
There are two generic errata rules, kind of disclaimers, that I can refer here.
1. Specific supercedes generic.
Usually, I would argue that the specific spell supersedes general statements on game mechanics, and this is supported by the explicit phrase "in general" here.
There is also the thing that if it would be black-and-white then divination spells wouldn't even have a "Spell Resistance:" entry in their headers but they do (as opposed to "range: personal" spells that don't have saves or SR) and indeed most have "No" but Scrying and Greater Scrying are exceptions, and this is not even changed in Pathfinder. Someone versed in DND4 or DND5 could comment on those versions of scrying.
2. Text supercedes table.
However, others could argue that text supercedes table and spell header is something like a table (well it is not but let's consider it this way) but even then, can you compare the table of a specific spell to a completely different section of the rules?
But since I'm seriously concerned about this (why is Scrying an exception? why are there discussions about making scry-proof rooms if SR, or Spell Immunity, for that matter, applies?) I choose the middle way: knowing this information (maybe Toot also did not account for possible SR) I give Toot two choices:
A) go for it and roll SR again (I did the first roll with a physical die because of my limited access so it's "official" only because I'm the DM so let's pretend I didn't roll). You use one of the three scales.
B) forget Scrying (for now) and pray for a different 4th level spell for today. You can keep all three scales for future use.
Note that this decision must be made without knowing the result of Koriolis' will save.
EDIT: I guess you refer to this passage of the description of SR:
Special Abilities Wrote:When Spell Resistance Applies
Each spell includes an entry that indicates whether spell resistance applies to the spell. In general, whether spell resistance applies depends on what the spell does:
(...)
Divination
These spells do not affect creatures directly and are not subject to spell resistance, even though what they reveal about a creature might be very damaging.
There are two generic errata rules, kind of disclaimers, that I can refer here.
1. Specific supercedes generic.
Usually, I would argue that the specific spell supersedes general statements on game mechanics, and this is supported by the explicit phrase "in general" here.
There is also the thing that if it would be black-and-white then divination spells wouldn't even have a "Spell Resistance:" entry in their headers but they do (as opposed to "range: personal" spells that don't have saves or SR) and indeed most have "No" but Scrying and Greater Scrying are exceptions, and this is not even changed in Pathfinder. Someone versed in DND4 or DND5 could comment on those versions of scrying.
2. Text supercedes table.
However, others could argue that text supercedes table and spell header is something like a table (well it is not but let's consider it this way) but even then, can you compare the table of a specific spell to a completely different section of the rules?
But since I'm seriously concerned about this (why is Scrying an exception? why are there discussions about making scry-proof rooms if SR, or Spell Immunity, for that matter, applies?) I choose the middle way: knowing this information (maybe Toot also did not account for possible SR) I give Toot two choices:
A) go for it and roll SR again (I did the first roll with a physical die because of my limited access so it's "official" only because I'm the DM so let's pretend I didn't roll). You use one of the three scales.
B) forget Scrying (for now) and pray for a different 4th level spell for today. You can keep all three scales for future use.
Note that this decision must be made without knowing the result of Koriolis' will save.