02-20-2017, 11:41 PM
(02-17-2017, 09:13 AM)DM Surranó Wrote: There is little "common knowledge" about planes. A character without ranks is likely to have heard about the four elemental planes and maybe the astral and ethereal planes but even their correlation is beyond "common" knowledge (means DC over 10) and thus needs ranks in Knowledge (Planes). Energy planes and outer planes are marginally "common" but for healers and summoners (respectively) their existence may be more common than for the rest of the population. The para-elemental, quasi-elemental and their connections (that there are several sets of inner planes and only one astral plane connecting all the outer planes; even the fact that there are inner and outer planes) are waaaay beyond common. The point where it gets all crazy high scholarship is when you try to explain to the average mortal how can you get from Toril's inner quasi-elemental plane of Radiance to an ethereal pocket connected to Oerth's inner para-elemental plane of ice using one of the less known transitional planes; how magic works there and how you pronounce runes nobody of the party has ever seen before, you included.
So Toot may know about the existence of the planes where he usually summons from (since they are not celestial or fiendish I'd say most of them are from Prime, barring elementals), and maybe about the source of negative and positive energy (though it's more like clerical part of divinity) but even telling this in a specific summoning case may be beyond his level of knowledge. Even thoqqua, one of his favourites is questionable. Fire? Earth? He has no idea about the para-elemental plane of magma.
Getting back to the original issue; Toot would not know about the actual traits of the energy planes and even if they were specifically described (which Mendor didn't do, only gave a vague description) he wouldn't realise that the librarian talked about the negative energy plane.
I figured most spell casters who could cast cure or inflict spells would have some basic knowledge of where the energy from those spells are channeled. That wouldn't mean Toot would know what creatures called the Energy Planes home (even though there are very few that do). This would require a knowledge planes skill. Specific world cosmetology does complicate things because it is extremely difficult to get from Toril to Oerth. I believe (don't quote me) that one of the few ways to move to or from Toril is through the Plane of Shadow. And since the Spellplague, the Negative Energy plane collapsed into the Elemental Chaos, mixing with all the other Inner Planes. I'm not sure why they made Toril so complicated with its World Tree.
I don't believe the MM1 mentioned any of Quasi-Elemental or Para-Elemental Planes. But the Summon Nature's Ally spell specifically says the caster can summon ANY elemental. To me it doesn't make any sense that the Quasi/Para Elementals should be immune to being summoned just because their stats weren't given in the MM1. Or for some reason Summoners need a special spell to summon Quasi/Para Elementals that none of the DnD creators (Who we know love creating new spells) never got around to creating. Even the Thoqqua entery in the MM1 only said it is an Earth and Fire Creature that dwells at the planar borders. It could have said the Para-Elemental Plane of Magma but it didn't.
So are Quasi/Para Elementals immune to Toot's summonings?